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and you're going to see india, its growth by 2030, will be like china is today. that will be that big, huge democracy. >> before anybody's freaking out and transferring their children into all mandarin-speaking schools, we are not going to be in dire straits. we are still going to be a big influence in the global landscape, right? >> absolutely. you're going -- absolutely, no question. but it's going to be, well, one of the quotes from the story is basically that the pacs americana will be over and you're going to see not that one power dominating everything, it's going to be middle classes around the world and more of a balanced power around the world. one thing that's interesting about this, you will have competition for jobs that will create middle classes. it will be pressure on western countries and their middle classes. because around the world, you've got hundreds of millions of people who will be coming up out of poverty, who will want to be in the middle class and have the technology to do those jobs that are we're doing now. >> there's a great read in "
and you're going to see india, its growth by 2030, will be like china is today. that will be that big, huge democracy. >> before anybody's freaking out and transferring their children into all mandarin-speaking schools, we are not going to be in dire straits. we are still going to be a big influence in the global landscape, right? >> absolutely. you're going -- absolutely, no question. but it's going to be, well, one of the quotes from the story is basically that the pacs americana...
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china is still positive in the fourth quarter. china is going to show a slow and steady improvement. so we need those. >> higher expectations stronger in the likes of taiwan, india and brazil. let's go back to where you say they're weakest. greece, italy, spain, the netherlands. this is a very weak feature, indeed. how bad in it? >> it's bad. the eurozone is the global economic problem now. if you look at asia where i just returned from, both countries are feeling optimistic. but they seem to be inwardly focused now by being a triangle of china, india, indonesia. we're not seeing a great benefit into europe as we did before. for instance, germany is looking pretty pessimistic. based on its lack of export performance to places like china. >> yeah. when the bundes bank came out and shortly downgraded forecasts, how is the employment picture? if you've got a relatively healthy china and the u.s. consumer bounce back, wouldn't that help germany? >> it certainly would. germany is relatively flat in terms of the employment outlook. so i
china is still positive in the fourth quarter. china is going to show a slow and steady improvement. so we need those. >> higher expectations stronger in the likes of taiwan, india and brazil. let's go back to where you say they're weakest. greece, italy, spain, the netherlands. this is a very weak feature, indeed. how bad in it? >> it's bad. the eurozone is the global economic problem now. if you look at asia where i just returned from, both countries are feeling optimistic. but...
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jenna: china has a role in all of this as well? >> china has been backing both iran and north korea with regard to missiles and nukes. >> where can you point to as an example where sanctions have actually worked, when it comes to north korea or iran or anywhere? north korea is obviously still pursuing a very high-tech weapon. >> right. >> according to these reports they deny it. >> sure. >> to be fair when have sanctions really worked? worked5 and 2007 with regard to those financial sanctions i talked about. of course they also worked with south africa which is the prime example. they probably also worked with regard to yugoslavia when the country was going through some problems. sanctions can have an effect. not enough on their own but when you do that with other diplomacy, yeah, they can have a lot of effect on these regimes. iran right now is reeling because of the financial sanctions that the u.s. imposed on the central bank of iran. jenna: that is what many say. the big question do we see them test a nuclear weapon in the next
jenna: china has a role in all of this as well? >> china has been backing both iran and north korea with regard to missiles and nukes. >> where can you point to as an example where sanctions have actually worked, when it comes to north korea or iran or anywhere? north korea is obviously still pursuing a very high-tech weapon. >> right. >> according to these reports they deny it. >> sure. >> to be fair when have sanctions really worked? worked5 and 2007 with...
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china buying up u.s. companies on the cheap and we are paying interest on money we are borrowing from the communist company in the first place. a battery system is closed unless regalators stepped in. is it 123. >> it is a-123. >> gretchen: it went bankrupt. >> the judge holds an auction and a chinese company wins the auction and $256 million for a 123. china has the money. that's the bottom line. we have spent all of ours and china is buying up american assets like the battery company. the problem is, taxpayers have subicized a 123 and pumped in a grant and gave it to this outfit that is now bankrupt and china is picking up the pieces dirt cheap. the ball is in president obama's court. there is a committee that decides whether or not a foreign company can buy an american company. on what grounds do they wish to buy. is it in our national interest to sell to a chinese company. time geithner heads that committee and he will decide are we going to sell this dirt cheap to china or not. >> gretchen: oh, by th
china buying up u.s. companies on the cheap and we are paying interest on money we are borrowing from the communist company in the first place. a battery system is closed unless regalators stepped in. is it 123. >> it is a-123. >> gretchen: it went bankrupt. >> the judge holds an auction and a chinese company wins the auction and $256 million for a 123. china has the money. that's the bottom line. we have spent all of ours and china is buying up american assets like the...
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and china is ready to overtake the u.s. sooner than you think. first, forget the fiscal cliff, because the economy is coming back. americans are feeling more optimistic about 2013 and if we play our cards right, we're going to see a new economic renaissance. td ameritrade recently surveyed folks on their outlook for the new year. 43% say they're downright optimistic about the economy and believe we're headed for a rebound. 45% are feeling good about their own finances, but we already know that things are starting to get better. look, we're adding jobs every month, consumer debt continues to shrink. stock markets are up. longer term, though. america will reap the rewards of its domestic energy boom and more oil and gas gets extracted. the drop in the price of natural gas is already helping utilities and factories compete. that's creating more american jobs. and there is more. housing will be the golden lining to the economic cloud that is hanging over this country. mortgage rates are at historic low and should stay that way for the next two years
and china is ready to overtake the u.s. sooner than you think. first, forget the fiscal cliff, because the economy is coming back. americans are feeling more optimistic about 2013 and if we play our cards right, we're going to see a new economic renaissance. td ameritrade recently surveyed folks on their outlook for the new year. 43% say they're downright optimistic about the economy and believe we're headed for a rebound. 45% are feeling good about their own finances, but we already know that...
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you going to borrow it from china? alisyn: i mean, you know, nancy pelosi's taken a lot of heat for that famous saying, you have to pass the bill to figure out what's in the bill. but now that seems haunting, because the fact that even senators now are saying, whoa, whoa, whoa, slow down, we want some of these things repealed. >> 17 democrats in the senate including senator-elect elizabeth warren from massachusetts. 17 democrats in the senate with three weeks to go before this tax is imposed suddenly realize this is going to cost a lot of money, it's going to hurt my voter, it's going to hurt the device industry. please delay it. all of a sudden. alisyn: maybe they should have read it. >> but it was very long. alisyn: it was long. [laughter] you've got that right. stu varney, thanks so much for parsing all of this. >>> meanwhile, a violent political power struggle on the streets of one major u.s. ally, but as both sides protest in egypt, there's also a push to legitimize some hard-line islamist groups. so in three minu
you going to borrow it from china? alisyn: i mean, you know, nancy pelosi's taken a lot of heat for that famous saying, you have to pass the bill to figure out what's in the bill. but now that seems haunting, because the fact that even senators now are saying, whoa, whoa, whoa, slow down, we want some of these things repealed. >> 17 democrats in the senate including senator-elect elizabeth warren from massachusetts. 17 democrats in the senate with three weeks to go before this tax is...
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china will be a big driver and india will be growing like china is today. they talk about how the world is changing. it's like no other time since the french revolution. remember in the late 18th century, the industrial revolution, except it's happening more quickly. it's taking a tenth of the time for china and asia to rise quickly. let me read to you something from the report, in the tectonic shift, asia will have surpassed north maeshg and europe combined in terms of global power, based upon gdp, population size, military spending and technological spending. china alone will probably have the largest economy, surpassing that of the united states a few years before 2030. people because of technology, people really have more power than they've ever had before, individuals have more power an that can also cause problems with, you know, people using technology for ill means. >> is this the whole report? >> the 140-page rundown. i'm sure the president gets a bigger one. >> this is an intelligence report. >> yes. >> why on earth would anyone buy a jillion doll
china will be a big driver and india will be growing like china is today. they talk about how the world is changing. it's like no other time since the french revolution. remember in the late 18th century, the industrial revolution, except it's happening more quickly. it's taking a tenth of the time for china and asia to rise quickly. let me read to you something from the report, in the tectonic shift, asia will have surpassed north maeshg and europe combined in terms of global power, based upon...
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. >>> new world order, the economy growing at an enormous rate in china, and in a few years it will surpass the u.s. what it means, coming up. >>> dozens of homes damaged in the south, ripping off roofs and damaging trees. more to come. stamp watch, straight ahead. >>> lots to talk about this morning. the next two hours, we'll talk with steve israel. jeff sessions, sandy levin, rahm emanuel and businessman javier paolomarez, ed burns, frankie monday easy, and chuck leavell. "starting point" begins right now. welcome, everybody. "starting point" this morning, angry, united. bracing for protests in michigan as the state is poised to become the most unionized right to work state. as many as 10,000 unionized workers expected at the state capitol to voice their disapproval of the measure. some of them teachers, two detroit area school districts shut down for the day as hundreds of teachers plan to join the protest. president obama brought it up during a trip to a daimler truck factory in redford, michigan. this is what he said. >> this so-called right to work law, they don't have to do with econ
. >>> new world order, the economy growing at an enormous rate in china, and in a few years it will surpass the u.s. what it means, coming up. >>> dozens of homes damaged in the south, ripping off roofs and damaging trees. more to come. stamp watch, straight ahead. >>> lots to talk about this morning. the next two hours, we'll talk with steve israel. jeff sessions, sandy levin, rahm emanuel and businessman javier paolomarez, ed burns, frankie monday easy, and chuck...
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we can talk china. europe's been left behind. the only thing that's keeping us back is any deal. just get any deal if we can get 4% growth? >> it has to be a real deal that's north of $4 trillion. here's where kent and i might disagree. i agree that we can get to a grand bargain but it has to be one in my case where you've actually made the decisions. i'm not going to do another process bill, i'm sorry. you know -- >> meaning -- >> i want -- let's implement the policies right now. i don't want to set up another committee, i don't want to give directions to committees to come back. you know there's an old adage here in the senate, there's nothing to be learned from the second kick in the shin from a mule. okay? we've already been down the path of a process. we had 12 really smart folks, six on each side, and i'm not willing to go down that route again. i want us to make the decisions now, i want the entitlement reforms put in place now, and i hope that speaker boehner will not negotiate a way the debt ceiling until those specific reforms are in place. that's been missing in this d
we can talk china. europe's been left behind. the only thing that's keeping us back is any deal. just get any deal if we can get 4% growth? >> it has to be a real deal that's north of $4 trillion. here's where kent and i might disagree. i agree that we can get to a grand bargain but it has to be one in my case where you've actually made the decisions. i'm not going to do another process bill, i'm sorry. you know -- >> meaning -- >> i want -- let's implement the policies right...